QUESTIONS OF FAITH
A friend complained to me, having to adhere to certain strict rules in religion of his wife, in order to have their marriage solemnized by a priest. He is a devout Buddhist while his wife is a staunch Catholic. (Yes – I am well aware that Buddhism is not a religion, but an education or way of life).
And to top it up, we have the Da Vinci Code to keep people from all over the world questioning their faith.
As a free thinker, I do not want to take anyone’s side. I believe all religions are good in their own way. It is always some deviations which have created so much problems in any religion. It is quite sad that some people have different interpretation and arguments over the same faith or abuses their religion to make monetary gains, or to fulfill their greed and lusts.
He is not the only friend who has got this problem. I have seen a few cases where a boyfriend or a girlfriend is still with their respective spouses; despite having different beliefs.
A close friend from Seremban and her boyfriend of 7 years were from different religious backgrounds. She is a Buddhist and her husband to be is a Catholic. I went to their wedding ceremony in Seremban and this is the first time I had a vegetarian wedding dinner. It was quite hilarious as, most of the dishes were made from tau foo; we could not finish the dinner past the third meal because the dishes were way too filling.
Okay.. I am deviating from what I am trying to say here…
When my girlfriend offered joss sticks to her ancestors and bowing down to the Buddha statues and her parents, her husband was nice enough to pay respects as well, even if without holding joss sticks. This is what I called compromising. At least, he did not stand far away or scowl as the prayer ceremony was being carried out.
Today, my girlfriend is still happily married and going to church and her daughter has been baptized in full Catholic tradition.
There is another case where a dear friend who is an agnostic. It took love to make this man; who made a joke of Jesus (Asking why Jesus cannot take M&Ms – because he has holes in his hand) – to turn into a Christian. He cut his long mane, quit smoking and took out his ear rings, all in the name of love. Sometimes I wonder whether he is doing this for the sake of love or his true beliefs for Christ itself. I believe it is a bit of both as he is now happily married and living an honest Christian life.
A few cases ended up in ugly divorces. My friend is a Protestant while his wife is a Roman Catholic. As the eldest son, his mother wanted him to get married in their church badly, as his family is quite prominent in the small town of Ipoh. But his wife insisted to get married in her Roman Catholic church, so much so that it displeased the future mother in law greatly.
After 4 years of over-compromising – she "hi-jacked" the husband to her church instead of attending her mother-in-law’s church, restraint her two children from going to their grandmother’s church altogehter; they split up (of course due to other problems as well). It’s way ridiculous as that both are also Christians.
Another ridiculous case was; a friend and his wife, planned to have a registration ceremony in Thean Hou temple – as it is easier and less cumbersome compared to registering in government offices. He had checked beforehand whether the in-laws are okay with it as they are staunch Catholics and they gave their blessings. After all, it was merely a registration ceremony and there will be no rituals of any kind being conducted.
Much to his dismay, when the day arrived, the brother-in-law came to check out the registration counter and went berserk to see a Buddha figurine on the table where the couples would be sitting to sign their marriage registration forms. He made a fuss by saying that they should remove the Buddha figurine before the mother in law comes.
They created quite a scene and it was quite an embarrassing sight. They ended up signing papers outside the waiting counter without the Buddha figurine. It was quite good that the Registrar tried their best to accommodate these people.
I felt it was kind of absurd to have agreed at the first place and then made a scene on the big day itself. To prove that you are a staunch good Catholics doesn’t mean you have to be so petty over things such as this. If you believe your God is the greatest, you shouldn’t be overly concerned about a Buddha figurine on the table, and you should be teaching your own daughter not to have pre-marital sex (she was 6 months pregnant when they tie the knot).
I guess it is not the matter of principles when it comes to conflict of religions in a relationship. It is more towards compromising and having compassion for your partner. I believe, if you love him or her, you would do anything to please your partner. It doesn’t mean you have to fake it or to give it all to make your partner happy. You also have to understand what you are getting into when you are dating a person from a different religion.
When it comes to marriage, everything will be compromised.
I believe the question to be asked here, is not where are your principles? It is a question of how much you are willing to sacrifice for love.
It doesn’t serve any purpose also if you were being forced to do something for the sake of pleasing your partner. Whatever it is that you do, you have to do it sincerely and whole heartedly.
It takes two to tango. One needs to be ready to bend certain rules and regulations in order to make each other happy. You cannot be having your way all the time.
I didn’t say you have to sacrifice your religion all for the sake of love. You need to prioritize which is more important to you. I guess a couple needs to have a serious discussion on what makes both of them comfortable and try to reach an amicable solution, rather than having put through something that either one of them would totally loathed.
I believe, in this life, our work is to discover our world and then with all our hearts give ourselves to it. If you have found your world in your partner, you ought to strive hard to give your heart to him/her.
There is no tailored made solution for this kind of conflict. But those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace. I wish this friend all the best in whatever decisions he is going to make and take, and hope that understanding and compromises will prevail.
And to top it up, we have the Da Vinci Code to keep people from all over the world questioning their faith.
As a free thinker, I do not want to take anyone’s side. I believe all religions are good in their own way. It is always some deviations which have created so much problems in any religion. It is quite sad that some people have different interpretation and arguments over the same faith or abuses their religion to make monetary gains, or to fulfill their greed and lusts.
He is not the only friend who has got this problem. I have seen a few cases where a boyfriend or a girlfriend is still with their respective spouses; despite having different beliefs.
A close friend from Seremban and her boyfriend of 7 years were from different religious backgrounds. She is a Buddhist and her husband to be is a Catholic. I went to their wedding ceremony in Seremban and this is the first time I had a vegetarian wedding dinner. It was quite hilarious as, most of the dishes were made from tau foo; we could not finish the dinner past the third meal because the dishes were way too filling.
Okay.. I am deviating from what I am trying to say here…
When my girlfriend offered joss sticks to her ancestors and bowing down to the Buddha statues and her parents, her husband was nice enough to pay respects as well, even if without holding joss sticks. This is what I called compromising. At least, he did not stand far away or scowl as the prayer ceremony was being carried out.
Today, my girlfriend is still happily married and going to church and her daughter has been baptized in full Catholic tradition.
There is another case where a dear friend who is an agnostic. It took love to make this man; who made a joke of Jesus (Asking why Jesus cannot take M&Ms – because he has holes in his hand) – to turn into a Christian. He cut his long mane, quit smoking and took out his ear rings, all in the name of love. Sometimes I wonder whether he is doing this for the sake of love or his true beliefs for Christ itself. I believe it is a bit of both as he is now happily married and living an honest Christian life.
A few cases ended up in ugly divorces. My friend is a Protestant while his wife is a Roman Catholic. As the eldest son, his mother wanted him to get married in their church badly, as his family is quite prominent in the small town of Ipoh. But his wife insisted to get married in her Roman Catholic church, so much so that it displeased the future mother in law greatly.
After 4 years of over-compromising – she "hi-jacked" the husband to her church instead of attending her mother-in-law’s church, restraint her two children from going to their grandmother’s church altogehter; they split up (of course due to other problems as well). It’s way ridiculous as that both are also Christians.
Another ridiculous case was; a friend and his wife, planned to have a registration ceremony in Thean Hou temple – as it is easier and less cumbersome compared to registering in government offices. He had checked beforehand whether the in-laws are okay with it as they are staunch Catholics and they gave their blessings. After all, it was merely a registration ceremony and there will be no rituals of any kind being conducted.
Much to his dismay, when the day arrived, the brother-in-law came to check out the registration counter and went berserk to see a Buddha figurine on the table where the couples would be sitting to sign their marriage registration forms. He made a fuss by saying that they should remove the Buddha figurine before the mother in law comes.
They created quite a scene and it was quite an embarrassing sight. They ended up signing papers outside the waiting counter without the Buddha figurine. It was quite good that the Registrar tried their best to accommodate these people.
I felt it was kind of absurd to have agreed at the first place and then made a scene on the big day itself. To prove that you are a staunch good Catholics doesn’t mean you have to be so petty over things such as this. If you believe your God is the greatest, you shouldn’t be overly concerned about a Buddha figurine on the table, and you should be teaching your own daughter not to have pre-marital sex (she was 6 months pregnant when they tie the knot).
I guess it is not the matter of principles when it comes to conflict of religions in a relationship. It is more towards compromising and having compassion for your partner. I believe, if you love him or her, you would do anything to please your partner. It doesn’t mean you have to fake it or to give it all to make your partner happy. You also have to understand what you are getting into when you are dating a person from a different religion.
When it comes to marriage, everything will be compromised.
I believe the question to be asked here, is not where are your principles? It is a question of how much you are willing to sacrifice for love.
It doesn’t serve any purpose also if you were being forced to do something for the sake of pleasing your partner. Whatever it is that you do, you have to do it sincerely and whole heartedly.
It takes two to tango. One needs to be ready to bend certain rules and regulations in order to make each other happy. You cannot be having your way all the time.
I didn’t say you have to sacrifice your religion all for the sake of love. You need to prioritize which is more important to you. I guess a couple needs to have a serious discussion on what makes both of them comfortable and try to reach an amicable solution, rather than having put through something that either one of them would totally loathed.
I believe, in this life, our work is to discover our world and then with all our hearts give ourselves to it. If you have found your world in your partner, you ought to strive hard to give your heart to him/her.
There is no tailored made solution for this kind of conflict. But those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace. I wish this friend all the best in whatever decisions he is going to make and take, and hope that understanding and compromises will prevail.
Comments
As for those Catholics making such a fuss, I thought that was uncalled for. You don’t have to force your traditions and beliefs on other people, especially when Christianity is a way of life as well, and not mere rules and rituals. I think you made a good point there about “teaching your daughter about pre-marital sex” as well. Livng a holy life comes way before fussing over statues of other religions.
Char | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 1:54 am | #
M$M’s… long mane…smoking…ear rings… Nah, you can’t be talking bout my brother, James.
Tho I don’t understand why this person cut his long mane. Jesus Christ died on the cross with his long mane intact.
Another thing I’ve never understood: If god wanted all of humanity to live together in peace and harmony, why’d he go and create religion? We’ve been killing each other for centuries over religion. The mind boggles…
stevo | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 2:24 am | #
Like they always say, a religion is only as good/bad as its preachers.
It always boils down to the person, how far is he willing to compromise, and if love should take a back seat or not.
yuin | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 4:45 am | #
Well I guess the moral of the storey is there needs to be some form of compromise. My dad is Buddhist, mom is a free thinker whereas my sis and me are Catholic.
When I converted my dad has only one request “make sure that you perform cheng beng every year and keep the ancestoral urn…”
I accompany my dad to temples to pray, just say Our Father when I hold the joss-sticks…no sweat la…
William Eng | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 9:52 am | #
frm yr post, it is quite proven that most from the said religion cannot accomodate and most are being accomodated.
i m sick of the absurdity in that religion but thrilled with their popularity, juz like the notion of so many people so into michael jackson. i know why, it’s straighforward but reserve on commenting.
“hey, if u want power drink livita. diet wont help, just livita” u get me? “no, no, not exercise, just drink the freaking livita” ok, now u get me.
i love porn from sima but i dr | 05.30.06 – 11:19 am | #
Char: Yes. I agree with you. Actually we could work things around the conflict rather than making things all worked up because of the conflict. I am sure all problems could be solved.
James: It is not my fault that Stevo guessed it right!! Hahahah! Yes, it’s your brother, Stevo! Stevo – tak baca Bible kah? It all began from the Garden of Eden – the bite on the forbidden fruit… which cause all these… now God wants us to make the choice ourselves.. to follow Him or to deviate further… Hhahaha… a pagan preaching.
Yuin: Instead of saying “Practise what you preached”, we should be saying – “Preach only things that you would practise.”
William: Glad all things work out for you and your family. Not all family are this receptive. Mine – it is good that everyone is a free thinker, but unfortunately, they are totally against certain religion – unless the man I am going to marry is also of the same religion. Hahaha!
Mr Porn: Remember – those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace. Be Cool, brother!!
Gina | 05.30.06 – 1:20 pm | #
why are they so sensitive, ish! so stupid to take religion as a problem to fall in love and get married. duh! *shakes head
kampungkai | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 3:14 pm | #
but some ppl really take religion seriously as a pre-requisite for their partners. i dont know why, but they do.
a friend of mine said he needed to make sure that girl is also a Christian before dating her or even thinking of being with her. why is the barrier?
*ponders*
Jane | Homepage | 05.30.06 – 4:09 pm | #
It is really unfortunate couples break up because of having different religious belief.
I don’t think is the intention of God to break up couples. In my theory, God might have intentionally brought two persons of different faith together to test their love for each other.If they truly love each other, they will realize the different religious practices; may it be Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, of being a Free Thinker are just different teachings to be a better person.
Forcing someone to adopt the same faith, is really missing the forest for the trees.
vegie | Homepage | 05.31.06 – 11:39 pm | #
Ah Kai: My friend told me a simple solution – just don’t get involved with Christians. Hahahah!!!
Jane: They ought to search within their own temples/churches and stop chasing skirts outside – keep some for the free thinkers. Haha!
vegie: Well said. All religion only point to the good. I don’t think we should even impose any rules on beliefs. It is all faith when it comes to religion. Believing in something you cannot see.
Gina | Homepage | 05.31.06 – 11:54 pm | #
still do not agree with them.
guy who loves porn frm sima | 06.01.06 – 11:00 am | #
Loved your topic on this age old pain-in-the-neck legacy from our forefathers. i am in a jesus gal buddha boy relationship and a close friend of mine is in a jesus boy buddha gal relationship…and we both love our other halfs despite the religion. Love unites, everything fucks it up!Religion to me is a matter of perception, go ask anyone and they are RIGHT! After countless debates i realised that all of us are RIGHT and wanna BE RIGHT abt what we believe in. If only LOVE were a religion, the world would be at peace.
jeffrey | Homepage | 06.01.06 – 12:44 pm | #
Gina/Vegie,
True, all religion shows us the path to good. Until we decide we want to marry someone from a different denomination. Then suddenly we are accused of marrying heathens, kaffirs, heretics, idol-worshippers etc..
Which gets me to thinking, is God testing our love for each other or testing our faith in him. And what faith would that be? Buddhism? Christianity? Hinduism? Islam? Judaism?
John Lennon said it best:
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
stevo | Homepage | 06.02.06 – 1:36 am | #
Guy who loves porn: I guess it is quite subjective to say what is right or wrong, as everyone has different perception. This is where everyone would fall into an argument. Differences cause friction.
Jeff: I agree! Love should be a religion! Haha! If I am an atheist, I would be without love? Hahah!
Stevo: Ini mesti terkena case yang sama ni… I spoke to a friend about my apprenhensiveness on the existence of God – she did explain to me in a child-like manner which made some sense. She said – our understanding comes from God Himself. But we have to remember that, we are not in the same parallel line with God – not at par with God (unless we think we are Lucifers), so whatever that we could not comprehend – we shouldn’t question more as it would lead to more confusion. The ultimate answer is Nobody Thinks Like God. Only those who think they think like God, are just playing God.
Gina | 06.02.06 – 10:01 am | #
Tak Faham. If we don’t comprehend – we shouldn’t question more as it would lead to more confusion?
We should follow like a flock of blind sheep? Hm, I don’t think so.
stevo | Homepage | 06.03.06 – 2:41 pm | #
Stevo: They don’t come up with “Ignorance is bliss” for nothing. Stop thinking about this lah Stevo.
Gina | Homepage | 06.04.06 – 7:53 pm | #
Nooooooooo…..
stevo | Homepage | 06.05.06 – 3:59 am | #
Stevo: You sounded like a very lost boy. Go to join James’ church. Maybe you will be enlighten? Hahahha!
Gina | 06.05.06 – 12:52 pm | #
so, it’s clear that religion brings out the best & worst in us. but the world seems to think that it is better to have religion than not. the on-going struggle is to minimize or properly manage the downsides of religion. all of us have a part to play, it is definitely useful to start by addressing our ignorance/mindsets with the right education & knowledge.
r | 06.08.06 – 1:13 am | #
r: I couldn’t agree more with you. What is the point of telling everyone your religion is the greatest and yet, there were so many found faults within it? Being human is not perfect, I know, I guess it is the extremists/ fanatics that had caused the world so much grief. And Jeff or Stevo is right, if only Love is a religion, there would always be peace.
Gina | Homepage | 06.10.06 – 12:16 pm | #